ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HHO TO INCREASE MILES PER GALLON

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This video proves that 3.05 liters per minute of HHO only provides 4.1 TENTHS OF ONE PERCENT of the energy requirement of a 24.1 MPG vehicle at 60 MPH. It also proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that an HHO device robs more energy from the engine than it gives back to the engine.

STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS GOING AFTER OZZIE FREEDOM FOR DEFRAUDING 3200 PEOPLE IN TEXAS WITH HHO – SEEKING $20,000 FOR EACH VIOLATION

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id=2937

PICTURE OF RONN MOTORS CHASSIS

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3295/ronnmotors.jpg

PICTURE OF RONN MOTORS HHO CELL

http://www.ronnmotors.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=194&Itemid=116

THE UNIT RONN MOTORS USES PACKED IN A PC BOX AND SELLS FOR $3500 TO $10000

http://www.hydrorunner.com/products.html

US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY – The link below shows that per cubic foot, gasoline has 836000 BTU of energy. Gaseous hydrogen a wimpy 270 BTU and since HHO is only 2/3 hydrogen, an extremely wimpy 180 BTU. So gasoline has 4644 times more energy.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/tech_validation/pdfs/fcm01r0.pdf

BMW HYDROGEN 7 RUNS ON LIQUID HYDROGEN

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/7-series/2007/first-drive-2007-bmw-hydrogen-7.html

IDEAL GAS LAW CALCULATOR LINK

http://easycalculation.com/chemistry/ideal-gas.php

EFIE DEVICE FOR ENGINE WITH HHO IS ILLEGAL – $2500 FINE PER PERSON – $25000 FINE FOR A BUSINESS

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf

Here is a link that lets you calculate the needed horsepower to overcome wind drag at various speeds.

http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/horsepower_calc.shtml

TABLE OF ENERGY DENSITY OF FUELS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

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25 Responses to “ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HHO TO INCREASE MILES PER GALLON”

  1. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @terryblount163
    The …
    @terryblount163
    The 1 MPG increase is an measurement error. Doing precisely 60 MPH with cruise control, I got 37.8 percent better MPG going north than south, on the same stretch of highway. The reason is because north had more downhill grades. Varying road grades make it impossible to measure fuel consumption accurately. So the EPA uses a dyno. It is impossible for HHO to improve MPG, my video proves it.

  2. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @popularluser
    That …
    @popularluser
    That has been looked at before. The wind drag the windmill would cause on the vehicle would require more energy than the windmill could produce. There is no such thing as free energy. Scientists have proved this over and over.

  3. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @popularluser
    My …
    @popularluser
    My video shows that 500 watts worth of HHO yields 0.41 percent of the energy needed for a 24.1 MPG vehicle. That means you would need 121951 watts to produce enough for 100 percent, an obvious impossibility. Since electric motors are about 91 percent efficient and HHO devices are 50 percent efficient at best, it makes more sense to forget internal combustion engines for saving energy. However, electricity from the power plant not used immediately cannot be stored.

  4. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @popularluser
    As I …
    @popularluser
    As I stated in my video, in 175 years, no scientist has ever proven Faraday wrong. Back yard mechanics posting on Youtube are not scientists and just want to sell you something. As my video points out, HHO uses more energy than it produces, therefore it does not make sense to even use it for increased MPG, never mind 100 percent HHO.

  5. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @Tropicous
    If you …
    @Tropicous
    If you take the time to understand the video then you would see that the amount of energy the alternator uses to produce the HHO is more than the HHO contains, therefore it is impossible for HHO to increase miles per gallon.

  6. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @helicrashpro
    When …
    @helicrashpro
    When scientists use a bomb calorimeter to determine the energy in hydrogen or any fuel, they mix it with the precise amount of oxygen needed for complete combustion, so the amount of energy in hydrogen is all that matters. The energy values in the video are based on standard pump gasoline. Racing gasoline has octane added to it to raise the temperature at which engine knock happens, to prevent high compression race engines from self destructing. Octane is not a measure of energy.

  7. helicrashpro, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    Funny how you …
    Funny how you compared hydrogen gas to gasoline and not hydrogen and oxygen gas. So you comparison numbers mean nothing in terms of what hydrogen/oxygen gas has for energy. That is like using just carbon energy to define the energy in gasoline. That obviously does not define the energy in gasoline. The other thing you conveniently did not mention is what mixture of gasoline you are using to base your values. Gasoline is a mixture of different hydrocarbons. What mixture are you using? Race gas?

  8. Tropicous, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    All gobolygook to …
    All gobolygook to me! What are you saying? if it does not Increase MPG what does it do in an exploding area, between the the spark plug and piston?

  9. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @TheBillythekid2010 …
    @TheBillythekid2010
    As my video shows, 3.05 liters per minute only provides 4.1 TENTHS of one percent for a 24.1 MPG vehicle at 60 MPH. The supposed gain is offset by the increased load on the alternator. HHO can only result in LESS miles per gallon, NOT more.

  10. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @slizzardman
    …
    @slizzardman
    Nitrous oxide does NOT increase power by itself. It injects more oxygen so that MORE fuel can be fed to the engine, NOT less fuel. Air only has 21 percent oxygen, but with nitrous oxide, up to 33 percent oxygen delivery to the engine can be achieved.

  11. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @slizzardman
    When …
    @slizzardman
    When Dateline NBC did there report on HHO, the EPA certified lab said the device lowered miles per gallon by about 1.3 percent. The reason for this is contained in my video. It is because you cannot get more energy out than in, EVER. The laws of physics do not allow it.

  12. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @QU47R3
    I know what …
    @QU47R3
    I know what you mean. Only people without knowledge of chemistry could ever believe that HHO can increase miles per gallon.

  13. QU47R3, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    Good science, let …
    Good science, let no one with out knowledge of chemistry post here

  14. popularluser, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    if an engineer …
    if an engineer would redesign a car to incorporate some some sort of wind mill in place of radiator to produce electricity to power a small internal combustion engine on hho to power an electrictal generator to run an electric vehical, would this not be better for the country in 2 ways, 1 dependence on forein oil, 2 air pollution.

  15. popularluser, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    Hello …
    Hello EnergySupply2008
    I have only recentlly discovered the HHO concept. However from all the utube vids and web sites I have seen I think there are other ways to explore this.
    One individual claims by accident he put ac power into his electrilizer and got more production than Faraday’s law.
    Is it not true that if you could run an engine off 100% hho there would be ZERO emissions?, even if it required more battery electricity would this not be a step in the right direction.

  16. terryblount163, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    I’ve been …
    I’ve been experimenting with HHO for 5 years & agree with you 99.9% on your views regarding the energy required to produce a usable amount of HHO.Initially I started my quest for this “super” gas with tunnel vision,believing that it was the answer to achieving a cheaper way to run my car,a 3ltr Volvo.I built wet & dry cells,PWMs & MAF enhancers,all installed to run automatically via a series of relays & monitored by a digital ammeter & shunt.The result was less than 1 mpg at 25amps,more to come

  17. slizzardman, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    The theory behind …
    The theory behind HHO is not to replace gasoline. It never has been. The idea is that the hydrogen combines with the gasoline to provide more complete combustion, an idea you have not even brushed on. HHO is simply used to access more of the stored energy inside the gasoline.

    The concept put forth in this video would mean that nitrous gas can’t increase power either, since it has a similar function, yet it does. Nitrous is corrosive so it’s not suitable for long-term use. HHO is not corrosive.

  18. TheBillythekid2010, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    HHO is a mixture to …
    HHO is a mixture to add to gas. It slows down the use of gas, buy using a mapping device to lean out the motor.. You make it sound like its the soul source of fuel, to run your car.

  19. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @elementalgadgets
    …
    @elementalgadgets
    You need to watch my video titled:
    MORE PROOF THAT HHO IS A SCAM – It will show you why HHO is absolutely a scam.

  20. elementalgadgets, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    Still blocking …
    Still blocking comments from anyone who doesn’t agree with you? You did a while back. Your video has a serious flaw with your initial unit of measurement. People will believe you because they can’t refute your claim, but I do not, because I can.

  21. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @kfortner51
    At 15 …
    @kfortner51
    At 15 MPG at 60 miles per hour we use 4 gallons in an hour X 129.46 Mega Joules per gallon = 517.84 Mega Joules of input. At 3.05 liters per minute of HHO, 183 liters per hour X 0.007224 Mega Joule per liter = 1.321992 MJ or only 0.255 percent of the requirement. Breaking it down per cylinder per cycle would not alter these facts.

  22. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @thundercomputer
    Of …
    @thundercomputer
    Of course I am comparing a liquid to a gas. The point is that gasoline has 4734 times more energy per liter than HHO. At 2.5 gallons requirement per hour at 60 MPH, we need 9.4635 liters of gasoline or 44,800 liters of HHO. That is 747 liters per minute. 3 liters per minute is only 0.40 percent of the requirement, but since energy from the engine powers the alternator, and an alternator is at best 50-68 percent efficient, there is a loss, not a gain.

  23. thundercomputer, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    “how much energy …
    “how much energy does each liter of oxyhydrogen contain and how does it compare to gasonline?”
    –you are comparing a liquid to a gas using liters. try comparing by weight?

    –how much energy does one liter of gasoline comtain when in it’s gas state?

  24. badbarada, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    “The law of …
    “The law of conservation of energy”
    Damn i knew it LOL . Thanks a TON. I feel a stupid now.
    Thanks for NBC Dateline HHO scam video. It’s clear now. BIG SCAM…
    Hope everyone checks out your video before buying HHO system or trying to spend money to find out.
    Great Video

  25. EnergySupply2008, on July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pm Said:

    @badbarada
    When the …
    @badbarada
    When the battery is up to full charge, the voltage regulator senses it and turns off the flow of energy to the alternator windings. Thus, the alternator takes almost no energy to spin at that point, only bearing friction. The HHO device keeps the battery in a constant state of discharge, so it puts drag on the alternator and therefore the engine. No energy from the alternator is ever going to waste under normal circumstances

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